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  • Writer Notes: The Wicked + the Divine 40

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    Spoilers, obv.

    The first issue of “Okay.” I’ve known for quite some time that it was likely the final arc would use the word “Okay” in some way. The unpacking phrase “It’s going to be okay” has been a backbone of the series. Due to the first year on the book, that’s been a loaded phrase, all the way through.

    But when signing a first volume of the book, I’ve added the dedication “It’s going to be okay.” There’s lots to unpack in that, and I suspect I’ll wait until later in this arc to say any more. But knowing that eventually we’d like have an arc called “Okay” was definitely part of doing it.

    The quotation marks are key. It’s a move I’ve done a few times in my career, in terms of showing it’s a story that wants to highlight something, and raise awareness that the word should be approached with conscious consideration. This is a choice. I want you to know it’s a choice. Let’s talk about what that actually means anyway, right?

    It’s a technique I first lifted from Bowie’s “Heroes”. Which, of course, is doubly appropriate to use it at the end of WicDiv.

    We knew they’d be a gap between the end of Mothering Invention and the start of this. The remaining five issues of the arc were tightly plotted, but in the document, this is the one which I left a lot open. I knew what I wanted to be, and it was a chance of finding an execution to make it work. It was a last chance to do a big concept issue.

    (Which isn’t to say there isn’t conceptual stuff elsewhere in the arc. There just isn’t a whole issue of it.)

    This is something that I’ve been trying to do since issue 6. As in, a purely fan-centric issue of mainly talking heads. Every time, it’s had to be cut for space. The talking heads shots of realistic footage, showing a lot of fans views on the matter. You get ghosts of it – any time Beth turns up, you get some, basically, but all of those moments could have been issues in another version of WicDiv.

    (The one we won’t be doing is the whole issue of literal talking heads. As in, Tara, Lucifer and Inanna just telling stories. That’s fun, but we just don’t have the time, and when I realised I had to stop them talking, it was definitely out. Oh, Minerva. You spoil everything.)

    Equally, WicDiv’s a book with two poles – the modern fan pop cultural part and the mythological grandeur. We swing one way or another, and it’s easy for the latter to mug the former. I suspect that’s because that’s the easier stuff. Especially as Laura has gone down her hole, she’s been incapable of seeing the good parts of fandom. An issue of that before the end, seemed necessary.

    (Equally, with where it goes. Like, we start with Laura as a fan, and end with her on stage, saving people. The Bowie Saved More People Than Batman of WicDiv. It’s a book about cycles, and ever more so here.)

    So! The other side is this apocalyptic final scheme, and give a perspective on that – the necessary plot. Equally, keeping Laura off stage as long as possible.

    So we end up with this.

    I knew wanting to pick up and run with minor characters in WicDiv was something I wanted to do, and merging it with a disaster rapidly led to something else – this is clearly an inverted Watchmen 11. There, they gather the supporting cast together in the b-plot and then with a I-did-it-35-minutes-ago kill them all. We flip that. We imply everyone we’re watching is dead, reintroduce the whole cast and then have Laura save them.

    Suffice to say, formally, this was tricky.

    Jamie and Matt’s cover:

    Meet Tom. We surveyed the whole supporting cast and picked someone who was present enough in a scene to be likely to be remembered but minor enough to be a surprise. In the end, there were less options… and the kid who asks Persephone about what to call her obviously has some strong thematic elements. She told him something. What did he make of it? It also gave a supporting cast of friends.

    It’s fun doing a cover like this and people going “who the hell is he?”

    I wish he wasn’t white and male – if I realised I was definitely going to use him in issue 24, I’d have likely have suggested otherwise. But, on the other hand, there is a point that white male guys should have heroes who aren’t white male guys. So maybe I’m okay with it. Comics!

    Claire Roe’s Cover
    Well, this is monstrous. You do get the image of Minerva, like she’s in Home Alone, trying to smuggle skulls. Just some great images here.

    Ray Fawkes’ Cover

    For the Heroes Inititative Charity. The theme was “Giving” which immediately jumped to a “Lucifer giving an apple.” Giving is very loaded for us. Ray is amazing – he’s been an incredible support throughout all of WicDiv, and we love him. Go buy his books. My favourite is THE PEOPLE INSIDE, but for something more genre, the UNDERWINTER books are fascinating, horror. UNDERWINTER: SYMPHONY is the adult gothic sister of Wicdiv, if you squint.

    IFC

    Flipping “Ascended Fangirl” into “Descended God” was sitting in the script for this issue before anything else.

    Page 3

    Black page with white text is something that’s come to the fore in the last year of WicDiv. In here, the exact word choice was key. While this feels like a documentary in terms of how it arranges information, the text doesn’t tell you that. It tells you it’s just footage. This means that it’s not necessarily an in-world document.

    Page 4-5

    Working out the exact panel dimensions was a nightmare, and led to a couple of rewrites to move some pages from eight panel to a more accurate six panel. You can also see Jamie start to wrestle with the unique horror of drawing stuff that is slightly distorted, choosing angles which are less traditionally interesting and so on.

    Unboxing videos are a fascinating phenomena. It’s fun to see culture happen which I fundamentally don’t get on an emotional level. That’s what culture should throwing up.

    The details on the ticket do make me smile, in an awful way.

    Yes, the “change the orientation” panel is clearly us showing off. This is the sort of issue I did a lot of doodles for. It also led to a bunch of lettering challenges for Clayton, in working out whether to put balloon tails off-camera to signify the other speaker. In the end, Clayton talked us into the other approach, noting it worked fine in Mister Miracle. Hey, if Tom King does it, I guess it’s fine with us.

    It’s worth noting the way the off-panel speaker is orientated, to ensure you know who they are. See the “Tom” in the dialogue in the second panel, to ensure you know it’s Nathan.

    “The front row if it kills us” is very us. This issue is a mix of awful tension and strokes of equally awful gallows humour. His smile is also adorable.

    Page 6

    Sometimes the most beautiful thing in the world is a page of exposition via the medium of power-point. We’re all big fans of the 1960s kirby superhero maps, and this is kind of the same thing.

    Page 7

    This is also a masterclass in a “Naturalism is hard” sort of page layout. The choice of the greys by Matt is really nice too.

    Page 8

    And back with Tom and friends. Worth noting the planning on this issue – I had this list of scenes, and tried to work how much I can cut between them to create a rhythm, which obviously accelerates the further we go in.

    “Shitting them whole”? Nathan is totally right. Tom, you re NASTY.

    Trying to get a subplot which fit in the space for them is key. Like, friends navigating a space. That Tom and Nathan are both far from perfect in this is also important. I just realised this is totally an alt-dimension Kohl and Kid-with-knife scene.

    Page 9

    The greatest tragedy of WicDiv is we never got around to doing the WicDiv calendar with all the dates on. Will we get around to it for Christmas 2019? IT COULD BE POSSIBLE.

    The problem in terms of story here is getting the multiple lies – Woden doesn’t know what Baal has had him to do, and Baal doesn’t know what Minerva is making him do. So trying to set that information up so is clear, while also in a naturalistic fashion is a trick.

    We were having LOC CAPs on some of this footage, but decided to cut them all. Only some of them had it, and having it on them all would create a mess. This is the one I regret though – there’s one tiny bit of information I’d like to have got in here. C'est la vie.

    The colour banding on this is fascinating – the late night recording. Also, Jamie’s burn on the calendar is golden.

    Page 10

    This was another one where the lines were worked hard. What happens BEFORE the image, what happens AFTER the image and all that.

    Anyway, some good thinking here Tom.

    The chat between the two, in terms of fans-beliefs and minor pieces, and hot takes and their own beliefs. Also re-introducing certain takes.

    Page 11

    This page is hard. The silent third panel is amazing – what Jamie does with the panning between the two. The caption would have revealed who’s filming it – the Sister – but that isn’t essential information.

    “You soppy twat” is something I’m oddly pleased with getting in. It’s a very naturalistic issue, and the tenderness is very real.

    There has been a tendency for people to take Baal’s fight against the Great Darkness solely to save his family, and understandable why. This scene and what follows shows that no, it’s not just that. He actually believes he’s saving the world, because if he didn’t, he certainly wouldn’t fucking do this.

    Page 12

    And Minerva reveals her side of all this. The little callback to 1373 does make me smile.

    The stylistic nature of this is key – Jamie doing the fish-eye, Matt working the blues, giving that night vision creepiness.

    Page 13-14

    This issue was definitely me trying to look for ways for Jamie to not just draw a million crowd-scenes. The first two is definitely me lampshading it.

    In passing, this two pages is basically all of Young Avengers in sixteen panels.

    The last panel is a thing of love, and definitely inspired by a Glastonbury festival, circa 1998. I’m there alone, as it was one of the infamous wet years, waiting for Nick Cave to come on the main stage. A highly high and/or drunk guy stops beside me, after pushing through the crowd. He’s clearly very excited, to the level where a group of younger women start to join in and/or mock him. He is very entertaining.

    Nick Cave comes on stage, doing a half-speed From Her To Eternity.

    “From her.”

    “To.”

    Eternity.“

    Murmurs Nick.

    Our new friend hasn’t actually noticed and howls at the top of his lungs…

    "FROM HHHHEERRRRR TOOooOOOOOOooOOOOOOoo ETERRNNITYYYY!”

    …at at least twice the speed of Nick.

    At which point, he’s decides he wants to be further front. Turning to the people around him, he suggests we all go forward. “Yeah?” “Yeah!” the girls scream, and immediately they all form a conga and start pushing through the crowd, with him chanting “NICK CAVE ARMY COMING THRUUUUUU!”

    I join in, as clearly I want to follow this journey. It leads us to the front, where I believe I stay for the rest of the night?

    On the way to the front I step on the shoe of a guy who, a year or two later, invites me to storm the stage on a Saturday morning TV show. I turn it down, and then he only goes and does it anyway.

    Pop music!

    Anyway, that panel is for that guy, wherever he is.

    Page 15

    Okay, I can’t hold off crowd scenes forever. Sorry Jamie, but not too sorry, as this looks amazing. Matt pushing the controls completely into the red, with the distortions going on. This is everything. It’s also the panel where the conceit of watching television is lowest – the panel shape is wrong, and it’s unlikely a camera would be on Baal’s mum on the top of the pillar… but they are deniably so, I suspect.

    I look at this page and smile. This is some comics. Nice work, us.

    Page 16-17-18-19

    And we’re off. This is… oh, god. There were diagrams for this, in terms of working out panel flow. There’s multiple routes through the two pages, which cascade together. The backbone is the “Baal” story arc, across the diagonal on both spreads.

    The second panel reads across both pages – notice the orange band leading you to the right – where a talking head explains what’s actually going on at the gig, and why everyone is being immersed.

    When you finish this row, you get the presenter giving the context for the remaining talking heads. On the first spread, you get a talking head talking answering the question… and then placing them in the crowd. When that ideas’s been set up, in the second spread we have multiple talking heads answering it, which all gather around a single group shot showing them all by each other, unknowing. And then there’s Tom, and his friends, mixed in, with Tom’s own answer stumbling towards his own truth, and his friends together, joined in this.

    I’m getting excited here, clearly, but this is some engineered machine monstrosity, and I love how it collaborates with the reader.

    This made it a nightmare for the guided view on Comixology. We contacted them in advance, offering to help a little. In the end, I wrote my suggested route, and they went with it. Moving from a non-linear sequence to a linear sequence clearly changes it somewhat, but I think it keeps a lot of the percussion. So don’t blame them, blame me.

    Oh – I had a list of people to possibly include in this sequence, and selected from them. There’s been some impressive attempts by readers to ID everyone. Clearly, I tried to signal who they were in their dialogue a little. My personal hero is the guy from issue 19 who saw Dionysus before Baph nabbed him. You’re a fucking legend too, mate.

    Tweaks we did was realising it was three hetero-reading couples on the first page, which was heteronormative. We changed that to avoid it. And, yes, that’s Jon’s mum.

    The one I wished I could get in, but lost, was the guy standing to the right of Laura in Issue one, who jizzed to Amaterasu. His line would have been something like “I hope I enjoy this one as much as that time with Amaterasu!”

    This is an awful book, in many ways.

    20-21

    And just let the awful moment linger. Do it naturally and show it. All that rush and then this. Once more, Matt Wilson for Eisners. The hyperbright is one thing, but the flicker on the aftermath another. And the hint of the giant in there is also carefully worked – it’s something we needed there, but also was a small part of it. What was important just imagining all those people dying.

    22

    Inevitable Total Eclipse Of The Heart reference, the go-to song for ending WicDiv dance parties.

    23-24

    And then, after all that, we get this moment, building towards that final image of Laura.

    Honestly, this got to me when Jamie first sent it to me in a burst into tears way. You’ve come a long way.

    I also like the idea that Laura, before heading out, looked through all her stuff and decided “Yes, Hoop ear-rings are the look for saving 20,000 people.”

    Next issue is out on Wednesday.

    Thanks for reading.

    • January 11, 2019 (5:24 pm)
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